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Post by clouddust on Mar 14, 2015 20:33:46 GMT
Hi all,
Great to see you AZ, great photo!! If all ways point to no ways, then why point at all?
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Post by Kolomo on Mar 15, 2015 1:00:50 GMT
The truth of who you are cannot be defined. It is what you already are, what everything is; it is not something that you can attain because you already are what you are seeking. You are right; why should we even need to point in the first place! Its hard to relax into what we are because of attachments (basically, wanting things to be different) and, as you see, I am attached to seeking. The only thing we can do is let go of all false beliefs. There are many ways or paths that point to this but in the end it is not a method or a way. The complete emptiness of all ways is what you already are. It is just simply being.
Thomas Merton; ‘only by surrendering your poverty do you allow space for God’s presence'.
Mooji; ‘ by marinating in your own emptiness, you are not merely tasting peace; you are peace itself.’
Chou Chou simply points out ‘The way is not difficult; only there must no wanting or not wanting’
Ramana Maharshi; 'Your effort is your bondage.'
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Post by bee on Mar 16, 2015 1:12:16 GMT
"Surrender is done successfully only when there is no 'me' that wants to surrender.
There is no 'me' that wants to surrender in a baby, or no 'me' in the flower that
simply puts its perfume out for all to share, no 'me' when I Love my neighbour as
myself. Therefore, only when "you become like children, you can enter the Kingdom of
Heaven". "
Tony I sense it can be very difficult on occasions for there to be no 'me', because
on those occasions 'me' IS the story.
This is where it can get rather tricky as in these moments (hours/weeks/years) 'me'
only has a sense or awareness of 'me' and has no idea it has been caught in that
dream web. In that web there is only that story of 'me', not too different from an
intricately made web a spider has created and is moving gracefully on the breeze
with the spider waiting near the center of its world (story).
If we touch the outer circles gently of its web what does the spider know?
Probably not that this finger belongs to a human that lives within walls and roof,
dressed in clothes, etc.
Whenever we get caught in our own unique web the only way out is to surrender the
web, and there we are as always, as pure awake awareness.
Just so happens that the awareness is none other than this moment.
It's a bit like looking behind the mirror.
This life reflects back to each of us where we are caught, our family, friends, work,
sport, and it can and is so very difficult to see behind all if it.
When I can view all the pleasures and the pain of life as an enjoyable story I open
the portal that is not caught inside this life.
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Post by clouddust on Mar 16, 2015 16:49:15 GMT
Hi guys,
I think it's very simple but difficult to do. Surrender of self is when we think of someone else first, then ourselves. Human nature wants comfort, accomplishment and success but putting someone else's need ahead of our own, is the goal of surrender. This is not to the point of becoming a fool, but merely being aware of selfish, greedy behaviors that 'roll-over' someone else to get what we want. That's why in my new faith, it's better explained as 'knowing God's will,' because then God helps us be aware of our behavior and also aware of what 'his' will is for our lives.
You know?
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Post by forum22015 on Mar 17, 2015 1:37:39 GMT
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to let you know I was here and reading your posts. They are great as usual. Sent Tony an email about the possibility of adding a new member I found at another site which is for dating but he is looking for friends. I sent Tony his picture and some comments he made. I have nothing to add right now. Still working on the Art Project which is taking up a lot of my time and to make matters worse, I signed up for two more dating sites. After I'm all registered then I should just have the art project to do. If not sooner I'll be sure to check in at least once a week. Promise.
Also, Just a thought, If you haven't been following a particular topic or have nothing to add to a topic it is hard to get in the forum discussion. Can we just add more topics like before? So we have more than one thread going on at once?
Love,
Arlene
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Post by clouddust on Mar 17, 2015 23:40:25 GMT
Hi AZ. Nice to see you. More discussion avenues is a good idea. Any ideas; anyone?
Hope you (AZ)can be around more!
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Post by tony on Mar 18, 2015 8:00:03 GMT
Hi bee, perhaps it could be better said as "Surrender is done successfully only when there is not a 'me' (a sense that I am separate from the rest and choose/author my thoughts and actions) who wants to surrender. [There is no 'me' that wants to surrender in a baby, or no 'me' in the flower that
simply puts its perfume out for all to share, no 'me' when I Love my neighbour as myself. Therefore, only when "you become like children, you can enter the Kingdom of Heaven"].
The 'me' (ego, self, etc.) I am referring to exists in so far as it appears to make decisions, act and live life from its self-center. This self-center changes every instant. Its lack of real power to choose and change is exposed when 'me' plans and expects something to happen and It doesn't! Self-less-ness (no me) occurs when there is Acceptance that what happens is the only thing that can happen. That's what I call Surrender.
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Tony
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Post by angelssix on Mar 18, 2015 17:02:44 GMT
Hello people,
... just joining... how there can be 'no me' when the 'me' gets up every morning and brushes their teeth, makes their bed and goes out to work?
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Post by bee on Mar 18, 2015 20:03:41 GMT
angelssix a warm welcome, a lovely name, six angels should be just enough for this very small group  Well there is a me drinking a cup of tea and typing into a phone atm. How do I know this? I am watching me do it. Who though, is this 'I am' that is watching me? |
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Post by bee on Mar 18, 2015 20:27:07 GMT
What is watching me, contains me, but is not limited to that me.
So the watcher is far more than me, but does me know the watcher is there also, watching me?
Is me only aware of itself as the me, or is it aware of more than just a me?
If it is aware of more can that awareness then be just me, or is that awareness then something more than a me?
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Post by angelssix on Mar 18, 2015 22:21:37 GMT
Hello bee, and thanks for the welcome. Angelssix is my rock band that gives me tuition money. I don't even think I believe in anything other than self, so I don't understand how there can be no 'me'. I'm a guest, just found this forum after being unhappy in some Goggle communitites so I don't want to be rude or anything, but would like to ask questions because I'm always thinking of that side of life, especially in my music.
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Post by bee on Mar 18, 2015 23:38:10 GMT
Believe me you are very welcome and appreciated regardless of your views, and you are in no way being rude.
Questions are where it's at, that's how any of us find an answer. Then it's up to you (your me) to feel if any answers are right for you in that moment.
But that moment appears to change and so too the answer does, and it may not be so right anymore.
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Post by Kolomo on Mar 19, 2015 1:06:25 GMT
Paying your way by playing in a rock band – how _______ is that? (I didn’t know what word to put in there; ‘cool’ -didn’t feel right, ‘awesome’ - don’t want to go there). And you’re reflective on top of that. Young people just seem so much more advanced nowadays. I suppose one of the things we’re all doing here is trying to inquire into who is it that brushes their teeth. Besides someone who practices good hygiene; we don’t really know. But what you could possibly say (I know, this is a mouthful) is that it is an apparent functioning that conceptualizes itself through time and space. But then look at what it is that could possibly animate this apparent functioning. Allow That to permeate your life and your good to go. Good luck with That.
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Post by tony on Mar 19, 2015 1:33:46 GMT
Welcome from 'me' too, Angelssix! Check out Brad Warner, who used to be in a few punk bands in the US and is now a Zen Master.
In regard to the topics we discuss in this Forum, they are pretty far out, when compared to a 'normal' view of life. Normal here means like most people would view and understand what goes on with them and the world around them. We tend to push that normal envelope by questioning and analyzing some assumptions. One of the questions is: who am I really?
It's a good start, in this type of inquiry, not to believe in anything (if you can help it), but to allow the questions & answers to take you places that you haven't thought of before, beyond the appearance of sense and mental perceptions.
So the talk around 'me' is not so much with the body&mind that gets up in the morning and brushes his/her teeth (and then goes on to do all sorts of things). It's about questioning if there actually is some 'one' separate from that body&mind. Some of us have been looking for that 'one' and haven't found it. Revisit some of the posts to get a feel for what that 'me' may be. In the end, it's a question of your real identity, rather than an assumed one.
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Tony
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Post by angelssix on Mar 20, 2015 0:07:36 GMT
Thanks Kolomo, bee and Tony. Yah, it's pretty cool, late nights, hard work, but it's fun. We are all from different backgrounds and I like to explore different avenues and join in the mix when we're jamming and exchanging ideas. Thanks Tony, I'll check out the guy you mentioned. Sounds interesting.
I viewed the posts and what I can't seem to get a hold on is how there can never be an answer if everything is changing and different and we make it what we want. Doesn't it seem like you're making it up when that happens?
I'm kind of a need an answer person but always exploring. I hope that gives you some idea of where I am and how I look at things. Does it? Maybe I should begin with sharing some experiences.
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