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Post by forum22015 on May 23, 2015 18:47:30 GMT
Dropping by thread. I guess I'll post here since I never know where.
Correcting a link I gave to Tony. My Etsy store is called "OceanCreatedArt". I gave hime the wrong name. In case tony didn't paste my response to him, I am currently going through the "Gate" process with JonathonR. My lead in post is Guide***** Namaste Second Page. I guess that stays for the duration till I'm done. Please give their book a read. It is posted on their site and consider going through the process. It is FREE. A very unusual and gracious gift to all us poor ones.
Love always,
Arlene
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Post by forum22015 on Jun 3, 2015 0:46:42 GMT
Hi everyone,
Dropping by to say hello and this is where i will post especially when I'm going through this process.
I am in my 12th day of being "in the gate" and I quite enjoy it.
I have to stay out of teachings and discussions about teachings. If anyone wants please feel free to contact me as before. I'll let you know what happens. Just hoping I'm not a tough case. Also, If anyone is up for a video conference let me know. You are precious to me and i don't want to loose contact plus I love video contact. Oh, I thought of another reason to do the Gate and that is to get counted. You can zip in and zip out.
I'll check back in about a week and a half I guess. This post was done on 6/2.
Love,
Arlene
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Post by tony on Jun 7, 2015 23:53:39 GMT
Hello Arlene
it's good that you drop in as you can. I miss your inquiring energy.
Some comments on "stay out of teachings and discussions about teachings". While I can understand the rationale for that (from those who are guiding you), I do not consider what we are doing on this Forum as a discussion 'about teachings'. We share, discuss, exchange and examine our views and experiences in the light of what we know. We do this in an open manner, i.e. not being attached to any particular teaching, but willing to point to any teaching that has had an influence on us.
I trust you do not feel constrained to do that (as above) for fear of upsetting your process. That You Are Always Already Fully You (whether you realize it or not, enlightened or deluded) is the open secret of the Gateless Gate.
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Tony
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Post by forum22015 on Jun 9, 2015 0:34:35 GMT
Hi Tony,
Thanks for posting. Though I agree in theory, just to be careful I will comply though they may agree with you also. If I begin asking questions about this forum, I begin to ask the guide to do more than he is already doing so I will interpret these discussions off limits for now. Not this kind of talk but the inquiry type.
This is the first time I have had a response from one of my posts since this forum has started except for Cloudust saying Hi, I believe. I don't know why that happened. Maybe where I posted wasn't seen, but I realized recently this may have contributed to my lack of participation. I very much welcome hearing from you. I also thought of another reason or two for everyone to participate in Liberation Unleashed and that is to be counted. Because you come from tradition and I'm coming from the wilds of Non-Duality, It is hard to convey how important community is and to have a sense of the size of your community. I think they have 5000 members so far, and a lot of Eastern Europeans are joining what I call the "Awakening movement."
Also , I wanted to ask you do the traditions see a movement going on or is it not seen or not taken seriously? Recently, I was talking to a Zen traditionalist and he was sure there was no large movement of Awakening going on at all and maintained that position. When we tried to converse it seemed we were talking different languages so he gave up the connection. I was so surprised and, that is why I am asking you.
Lastly, Did I post or ask if members wanted to get together informally every other month or so by video? Those who are willing that is.
Till we connect again and love to the others.
Love,
Arlene
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Post by tony on Jun 10, 2015 1:21:18 GMT
Hi Arlene
I had then impression that you were busy with certain projects, as well as being involved with the your current process and were just dropping in to stay in touch. By asking those questions, however, it looks like you may be OK with getting into the discussions. So, a response to your post:
- “Because you come from tradition…”. Best to say that I come from Tradition, which means the Perennial Philosophy, the One Path, the enduring timeless expressions that point to Now, to This, to Truth, God and all the names that have been given to That Which Is Already Always. Within Tradition there are many traditions (i.e. Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Tao, etc. and philosophies such as the teachings of Advaita, Emptiness, Divinity, etc.). Each of those, at the esoteric level, points to Non-duality (One which is also Two; ‘not one, not two’) as a perspective, i.e. as a way of describing and understanding the world in which we live. Once that commonality is seen and experienced, there is actually no need to label it as Non-duality: one simply lives it, engaging with life as it comes.
- “Do the traditions see a movement going on or is it not seen or not taken seriously?” I can’t speak for any one tradition, but I would say that the phenomenon of awakening has a much greater likelihood of occurring nowadays that it did before. It’s part of Creation/Evolution, that is, of what happens seemingly in time. It goes together with advances in mass communication (books, telephone, Internet, etc.) in the last few hundred years. Dr David Hawkins (one of the great modern mystics and spiritual scientists) reckons that the probability of the ‘awakening’ phenomenon is now much higher than it ever was, and mankind is heading towards ‘Homo Spiritus’ as the next stage of its evolution. I can’t account for the Zen traditionalist’s views. Interesting to know what context he was coming from [for example the Heart Sutra: There is neither ignorance nor extinction of ignorance; neither old age and death nor extinction of old age and death; no suffering, no cause, no cessation, no path; no knowledge and no attainment…far beyond all inverted views, one realizes Nirvana.]
I’m OK with a video link-up, but others (Kolomo, bee as I recall) preferred not to communicate that way.
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Tony
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Post by Kolomo on Jun 14, 2015 17:03:07 GMT
Just to let you know that I read their book. I remember liking it, maybe I’ll look it over again. I hope you do keep us posted. Love
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Post by forum22015 on Jun 18, 2015 14:45:52 GMT
Hi Tony, Kolomo, Bee Cloudust,
I just got my first glimpse of viewing stream of thought ongoing but not within it. Very nice! Try it you'll like it. Plus there are Oodles of people involved including Eastern Europe now. Thank you Tony for the response and clarity. Why don't you Let others know that meeting via video would not take the place of the dialogues but an addition where we get to see each others eyes too! For a lonely person this is a great feast.
I'll be back soon. By the way, it took10 days for PBoards to post my posting?? Geesh. I am posting this 6/18/15
Love,
Arlene
Tony: No I can't join the dialogues yet and understand why. There are a lot of I's & me's in the written word.
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Post by tony on Jun 19, 2015 0:37:39 GMT
Hello Arlene
a comment on your seeing 'stream of thought ongoing but not within it'. That is the heart of Meditation. As you know, it's one of the primary pathways to seeing 'what I really am'. It has been around for thousand of years and it works! It can be practiced at any time in one's daily life through a meditative attitude (e.g. sitting). That meditative attitude remains while you do the dishes, talk to someone, have your dinner or enjoy a sunset, even when you are arguing or feeling depressed. What I am saying is that your ordinary life, including doubts, is all there is. Meditation is often mistaken for a technique to achieve something or get somewhere. It is in fact practicing being yourself as you are, in your pristine state. It does not require believing in anything (Christianity, Buddhism, God or Jesus or Buddha), but through a non-judgmental openness to everything that arises one gets to see and understand what God is.
From the above it follows that I can still refer to myself as I/me for the sake of communication, while knowing that there is no fixed self. The I's and me's are a belief we take on (they appear in the written as well as spoken word but more fundamentally as an identity) and come out in our attitude to the world.
I'll see what I can do about a video link!
Tony
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Post by forum22015 on Jul 7, 2015 16:37:30 GMT
It's Arlene, just lost my typed post so this is a test. Arlene
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Post by forum22015 on Jul 7, 2015 16:44:51 GMT
Hi Tony, I just wanted to express my gratitude for being able to talk with you via SKYPE. You are so good to take the time to do this especially in light of my blunder. I hope in the future others will join us in this occasional face to face talking to each other. There is nothing like sharing laughter, affection and direct eye contact though via video with those you have fondness for; You are important to me. Please never doubt this. Feel free to email me to say hi anytime. Tony would you share this link with Cloudust regarding a talk in Nov about Jesus: www.soundstrue.com/store/adyaevent. She may want to hear it or download the MP3 after. Much love, Arlene |
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Post by tony on Jul 12, 2015 7:36:01 GMT
Hello Arlene, yes it is rewarding to meet and share what we know face to face. Not everyone feels at ease with that, though.
Regarding Adyashanti's talk about Jesus, I'm sure Clouddust can look it up and decide whether it's worth following up. I remember reading a number of discourses by Osho (Baghwan Shree Rajneesh) on Jesus' life and teachings, that to this day I regard as insightful as any other I have heard. I think it's valuable to hear a description of Christianity from sources other than the Christian Churches.
Be well!
Tony
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Post by forum22015 on Aug 3, 2015 19:54:36 GMT
Hi Tony, Bee, Clouddust, Kolomo, Angel6
Just another drop-by.This time was tempted to read posts and was reading Tony's 'dying to Self to Clouddust. Nice post Tony as usual.
I must say I'm a big failure so far at the Gate Process but have learned somethings. Learning too much is a detriment to this process of LU Liberation Unleashed. I tend to Gobble information I'm fascinated by. There was a woman who did four pages of posts and then she was through the gate. I'm on page 17, sigh. They say some people occasionally can't get through. I wonder if that is going to be 'the me'. I've gone through a lot of harrowing processes with my guide till I guess he finally accepts I'm serious. It's impossible to tell with posting dialogue what he was seeing but I continued to surrender to the process and he kept me as a participant. I know this sounds odd but I didn't want to be seen as a problem potential member. So when I said OK, I know you don't want to Guide me anymore he thought about it and kept working with me instead. I won't fully know what was going on until I can talk to him directly, if that happens. Also, I realize the mental world (not sure of the descriptive words here) ate my Awakening, yum-yum. It was doing battle with my guide but I didn't realize it till later (which was probabley the problem). Miss smarty pants shoots herself in the foot.I've had some seeing but nothing that lasted. I wonder what is going to happen. They have this extra forum called "Still Looking" all the guides come by this lone person and try to get them through the Gate. I might end up there and will let you know, If I do. You have to log-in to see this forum. Here are some of their stats forum wide which I find amazing:
Total posts 143676 • Total topics 3561 • Total members 5453 • Our newest member lanalyst
Oh looking for some good Sci-Fi to read since reading Non-Duality is out. Anyone have a suggestion email me. Damocles was a great contemporary Sci FI story which tops Ray Bradbury's, The Martian Chronicles. Lots of dated material in the story. At that time, in history they thought the Earth would look green from a distance of Mars, funny huh.
Love to you all and I'll try and check-in again soon.
Namaste,
Arlene
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Post by bee on Aug 4, 2015 12:28:37 GMT
Hi Arlene you're doing fine, remember all that you are is DE that you both are referring to, so maybe just relax a little into it all, there is no need to try and learn anything as you are already it .
What caused any of us to be here, what beats our hearts and operates the 24 hour/ day cellular factory that is this organic marvel? Our mind cannot fathom the intricacies of our beingness?
I remind myself of this often - "Maybe try to trust the Totality of it all, the Isness of it, which of course includes every bit of this current experience; flowing along with all of it".
I see we all try so hard to be what we are already. But why do we? It really all boils down to not trusting that which we are. This mind-ego cannot know what It is I am, I have therefore only one direction to take which is the pathway of trust.
In my own day-to-day endeavours I do try to be mindful (not mindfull) in the practice of trusting life. I have an intention to simply trust life which means trusting everything life throws up as it's easy to forgo this trust.
So I use the word mindful as another way to say I practice being attentive to trusting life. There are many tests along this path but when the obstacles are trusted as much as the mellowness, I wonder then what happened to those obstacles. Were they all just a figment of my imagination, just another lot of scripts written by yours truly and then waiting to be acted out by me?
I am directly experiencing that trusting causes the fictitiousness of life to melt away.
Maybe this IS the fullness of DE?
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Post by Kolomo on Aug 4, 2015 15:40:35 GMT
Thought this might be of some relevence
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Post by bee on Aug 4, 2015 21:57:39 GMT
A good illuminative talk by Adyashanti.
The fictitiousness that disappears reveals that it all is happening in this much broader context of which I am, which is not unlike the canvas that totally allows everything to exist upon it. So then I know I am aĺl direct experience, every particle of it, as well as existence that contains it all.
My present awareness:
When I can absolutely trust everything I am painting upon the canvas, this occasional masterpiece, this one with many flaws, and now this one that myself and others may well reject, I then know I am so much more than just the scene that I am presently painting, I am also the canvas.
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